TIH 557 Pastor Charles>> Pastor Charles Jennings >> Welcome once again to Truth in History as we continue to address some crucial issues that are in this nation that we are facing today because as Christian men and women which make up and comprise the body of Christ, the church, what is our responsibility in this culture to address the evils that we see taking place in our nation and in our world? And with me today in the studio is Coach Dave Daubenmire and I want him to share his story with you so that you can feel the passion that he has and also the ministry that God has given him to address some crucial issues that are facing this nation. Now this program, we speak for a lot of people because a lot of people do not have the voice that we have, wish we had more voice, but there are many things that are in the hearts of God's people that for example myself, I wish that we could speak to the nation from coast to coast, but God has raised up men such as Coach Dave to fill in the gap, to make up the hedge and to speak to the very heart of our nation and welcome Coach Dave to the program. It's good to have you and I want you to share your story of how the Lord got a hold of you, changed your life … Coach Dave >> Yes, sir. Pastor Charles Jennings >> And put you, you know, in, in a, in a different fight. Coach Dave >> Well, Pastor Charles, it's always great to be with you and appreciate the chance to be here. Well, what a story. Some, I, I often in my own life just say Lord how did I, how did I end up where I am doing what I'm doing. How did this happen? Pastor Charles Jennings >> Yeah. Coach Dave >> You know, Psalm 37:23 says the steps of a righteous man are ordered by the Lord. So no matter where you are in your life let me encourage you to this. You're right, probably right where the Lord wants you to be. The question we all have to make is, the question we have to ask ourselves is what are we going to do with the opportunities that we see. I was a high school football coach Pastor Charles, got sued by the American Civil Liberties Union in a small Midwestern town in Ohio back in 1997. And that seems like a world ago, 1997. But it was very real to me when the American Civil Liberties Union came into that, our small town. You'd think you would be hidden from the ... Pastor Charles Jennings >> Oh, yeah. Coach Dave >> … the evil ACLU in a small town like that but, but, they weren't. I found out later that that's exactly the type of communities they like to attack because you're not really prepared to be able to take on that battle. I need to backup a little bit though Pastor Charles. I always forget to tell people this. I was radically born again in 1987. I was raised a Catholic. My dad had me in church every time you're supposed to be in church. But, I'm not besmirching Catholicism but it was for me just, it was just something that I did. It was just a religion that I followed. And in 1987 I had a, rather I, the, the Holy Spirit of God, Jesus came into my life like a ... Pastor Charles Jennings >> Praise God. Glory. Coach Dave >> Like a sound of a mighty rushing wind and radically transformed me. I tell everybody that it did for me what a phone booth did for Clark Kent. Pastor Charles Jennings >> [Laughter] Coach Dave >> You remember that, right. Pastor Charles Jennings >> Oh, yeah. Coach Dave >> I've got to be careful because I say that today and a lot of kids don't even know who Clark Kent is anymore. But it radically changed, changed, transformed me, Pastor Charles, and ended up in this new, new town coaching football there and I thought that, you know believed so much of Christianity that we see today that Jesus is just there to bless you and give you a nice house and a nice car and take care of you. Not that He isn't and I'm glad that He's my provider and that all my needs are met. But when I got sued by the American Civil Liberties Union in 1997, ten years after I was saved, all of a sudden my perspective in life changed all that. Wait a minute. Pastor Charles Jennings >> Yeah. Coach Dave >> This isn't the kind of Christianity that I signed up for. All I was doing was, all I was doing was praying with our football kids and trying to lead, lead a moral life and when, when that enemy came in after us Pastor Charles I, I tell everybody I wasn't one of those evanjelly fish. Do you know what an … Pastor Charles Jennings >> Oh, yeah. Coach Dave >> … evanjelly fish is Pastor Charles? It's a Christian … Pastor Charles Jennings >> Yeah. Coach Dave >> … without a backbone, right. And I know what the Lord had done for me and what he had rescued me from so I wasn't going to back down on this whole issue of whether or not we're able to pray with our kids and not pray with our kids. The sad truth of it is I was woefully ignorant of history. Can you say amen for that, on that? Pastor Charles Jennings >> Oh, yeah. Coach Dave >> Amen. That's what we all are … Pastor Charles Jennings >> Oh, yeah. Coach Dave >> … on that, right, Pastor Charles. Pastor Charles Jennings >> Absolutely. Coach Dave >> Woefully ignorant of history. When I went through the battle with the American Civil Liberties Union, thank God for the Internet, uh. It drove me back to a restudying of history, what our Founders really believed. We hold these truths to be self evident. All men are created equal and endowed by their Creator … Pastor Charles Jennings >> That's right. Coach Dave >> ... with certain unalienable rights. Pastor Charles Jennings >> That's right. Coach Dave >> And among them a right to life, liberty, pursuit of happiness. First Amendment. Congress shall make no law regarding establishment of religion, nor prohibiting the free exercise thereof. I went through all that stuff Pastor Charles and all of a sudden this begins to make a lot more sense to me than what it had ever made before so I made the decision in 1997 that no matter what the cost. Jesus tells us count the cost and I did. Pastor Charles Jennings >> Oh, yes. Coach Dave >> Would cost me my job, who knows what it could cost me worldly wise, but I figured that He had laid down his life for me I was going to lay down my life for him and we decided we were going to go all the way with this thing. We went through a two year battle with the ACLU for our right to be able to pray. And 48 hours before we went to federal court, long story short folks, 48 hours before we were in the court room the American Civil Liberties Union offered us an out-of-court settlement. So they, they dropped the case. Now Pastor Charles here's what they do. They then, they negotiate with the insurance company, the school district's insurance company … Pastor Charles Jennings >> Wow! Coach Dave >> … for, for legal fees. So they got eighteen thousand dollars in legal fees out of our school system, snuck out the back door and claimed victory. Pastor Charles Jennings >> Victory. Coach Dave >> They didn't win. They didn't win. So my last year in London High School was in 1999 football season, 1999-2000. We went undefeated my last year. In fact my son was the all-state quarterback on our football team. That's another whole story in itself. And the Lord is honored in our stand, but I realized at that point Pastor Charles because folks I'm just going to tell you the truth. Is that okay? I'm not here to step on anybody's toes, but the truth is the truth. When I went through my battle in, in, mid, this is mom-and-pop America, London, Ohio. When I went through that battle with the American Civil Liberties Union, two year battle Pastor Charles, not one pastor called me. Pastor Charles Jennings >> Wow! Coach Dave >> Do you understand that folks? Not one pastor. Pastor Charles Jennings >> This was in the newspapers. Coach Dave >> Oh my goodness! It was, I was on Hannity and Combs, Fox News. I was everywhere and not one pastor in our small town called me. Do you know why? They did not want to get involved. They didn't want to get involved. See, part of it was, Pastor Charles, they believe that, that whole Romans 13 bit … Pastor Charles Jennings >> Oh, yeah. Coach Dave >> That you bow your knee to government no matter what they right … Pastor Charles Jennings >> Oh, yeah. Coach Dave >> And what was it, one of those wise guys said, choose you this day whom you will serve. Pastor Charles Jennings >> Yes. Coach Dave >> I took his advice. Either I'm going to obey God or I'm going to obey man. Pastor Charles Jennings >> That's right. Coach Dave >> And so I came to that decision. And I made the decision that I'm going to obey God. I didn't care what the government said about it. Well, after that whole thing went over the last year at London we were undefeated and I walked away. I just felt the Lord had called me to do something greater with my life, bigger with my life and I started Pass the Salt Ministries. Matthew five verse thirteen says you are the salt of the earth but if the salt loses His savor it is henceforth good for nothing except to be cast out and trodden under the foot of men. You are the light of the world. You know, Pastor Jennings, just telling the truth. Pastor Charles Jennings >> Oh, yeah. Coach Dave >> I saw a lot of good for nothing Christianity. Pastor Charles Jennings >> My, my. Coach Dave >> I saw a lot of it. We started Pass the Salt Ministries and I started Pass the Salt Ministries to try to awaken the church in particular to, oh this anti-Christ wave that was sweeping across America even back in the year 2000. And I'm not a prophet or the son of a prophet but brother I sit here in 2013 and much of what I've been warning the church … Pastor Charles Jennings >> Oh, yeah. Coach Dave >> … is upon us, brother. Pastor Charles Jennings >> It's here. Coach Dave >> It is here. Pastor Charles Jennings >> It's here. Coach Dave >> And so what I try to tell people is we're in a situation right now buddy it is time for you to either get in the game or get out of the game. To quit, quit talking and start getting in action. I was, I had a conversation with somebody the other day regarding the gay marriages, homosexual marriage, and they, they were giving why they shouldn't be involved with it. I said, “Listen, pal, you better wake up and understand this that the foundational building block of all society is the marriage. It is the family.” Pastor Charles Jennings >> That's right. Coach Dave >> And it is about to be changed forever soon. It's going to happen. Pastor Charles Jennings >> Oh, absolutely. Coach Dave >> We can't wait 6 years from now, Pastor Charles. Pastor Charles Jennings >> Oh, no. Coach Dave >> It is happening now. I'm sure you can feel the passion that's coming out of me. Pastor Charles Jennings >> Oh, yeah. Absolutely. I feel it. Coach Dave >> Because I know the times in which we live, as the men of Issachar who understood ... Pastor Charles Jennings >> That's right. Coach Dave >> … the time in which they lived … Pastor Charles Jennings >> Amen. Coach Dave >> And knew what it was that Israel needed to do but the sad fact of reality is, but the fact of the matter is that the churches have hired mercenaries to do the job that God called the church to do. We call them Republicans or conservatives. Pastor Charles Jennings >> That's right. Coach Dave >> Pick whatever name you want to name. We hire men, politicians to fight spiritual battles. We wrestle not against flesh and blood, but principalities and powers. And Jesus said I'm going to build me a church and the gates of hell that I'll build, Jesus said the gates of hell will not prevail. So, that's, that's my message Pastor Charles that the church has got to awaken and godly men, Christian men in particular, have got to begin to engage in the battle. Pastor Charles Jennings >> In early America wasn't it typical for ministers in the pulpit to address the issues of the day. They even called the names of crooked politicians, they, because they didn't have all the restrictions of governments on us today but they were, well, not all of them, but there were several men that were fearless. Coach Dave >> The Black-Robed Regiment they called them. Pastor Charles Jennings >> That's what they called it, the Black-Robed ... Coach Dave >> The King feared them more than marching armies, the King feared them. Pastor Charles Jennings >> That's right. And so what is the responsibility of men of God today in the pulpits and you mentioned something that is ever so true. We have hired secular men … Coach Dave >> We have. Pastor Charles Jennings >> Or movements to do the job of the church. Coach Dave >> The dirty, to do the dirty work. Pastor Charles Jennings >> The conservative movement and folks I believe that conservatism, secular conservatism is going to fail in America. Coach Dave >> It's pretend salt Pastor Charles. Pastor Charles Jennings >> That's right. Coach Dave >> It's pretend salt. It looks like salt. It smells like salt but it will not die. It will not die for the cause. Christians are different. Pastor Charles Jennings >> That's right. Coach Dave >> We are the salt of the earth. We will die for what we believe. Conservatism will not. Pastor Charles Jennings >> It will not. The, the Republican Party is, was not called of God to do our job. Coach Dave >> Amen, brother. Amen. Amen. Pastor Charles Jennings >> And why won't ministers, evangelists, pastors, etc. why won't they speak up? Coach Dave >> Coward. They're cowardly. I mean, let's just call it what it is, they're cowardly. You know, you mentioned the Black Robed Regiment, or, April 19th coming up is the battle of the shot heard around the world, the Lexington Green. Yeah, have you ever been there, Pastor Charles? Pastor Charles Jennings >> No, never been there. Coach Dave >> I've been there. I went there and I stood there. And there's a rock. I didn't, there's so much about that story that we don't understand. Those guys, the march, the 700 marching soldiers coming down into Lexington, Massachusetts, they were after three things. They were after, after the ammunition. By the way that rings true today, doesn't it? Pastor Charles Jennings >> Oh, yeah. Coach Dave >> But they were also after John, Pastor Charles Jennings >> Jonas Clark Coach Dave >> Jonas Clark and John Hancock, who were, they were housed at Jonas Clark's house. Pastor Charles Jennings >> Oh, yeah. Coach Dave >> They were coming there. So what did Jonas Clark do? He got on the phone and he called his men and said to get down there at the green and hold them back. The elders of his church showed up. Pastor Charles Jennings >> That's right. Coach Dave >> Captain John Parker showed up. There's a rock there today. Inscribed on the rock at Lexington Green says “Don't fire unless fired upon but if it's war they want let it begin here.” Pastor Charles Jennings >> That's right. Coach Dave >> Christian men. Pastor Charles Jennings >> Christian men. Coach Dave >> Christian men. It was a church of pastor Jonas Clark who stood out there … Pastor Charles Jennings >> That's right. Coach Dave >> … and turned back this tyrannical government marching down on them. And that, Pastor Jennings, on the other side of Lexington Green is another monument. After those men died there's a, some politician said some really pretty words but there's something in the middle of it I'll never forget. He said history will mark from this point the liberty of the world. Pastor Charles Jennings >> Wow! Coach Dave >> I get goosebumps on that, Pastor Jennings. Pastor Charles Jennings >> Oh, yeah. Coach Dave >> It was Christian men. Pastor Charles Jennings >> Christian men. Coach Dave >> … rising up Pastor Charles Jennings >> That's right. Coach Dave >> … understanding that the idea of liberty was a God granted right. Pastor Charles Jennings >> Because they had a Christian Biblical world view. Coach Dave >> Yes, sir they did. They did. Pastor Charles Jennings >> And it was Jonas Clark if I'm not mistaken that made this statement, “We have no sovereign but God … Coach Dave >> Amen. Pastor Charles Jennings >> … and no King but Jesus.” Coach Dave >> No King but Jesus. Pastor Charles Jennings >> No King but Jesus. Coach Dave >> Well, we've fallen from since then, haven't we brother? Pastor Charles Jennings >> Oh, we've fallen a long ways. Well, in the book of Psalms chapter thirty three verse twelve it says “Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord.” Coach Dave >> Amen. Pastor Charles Jennings >> Now is the Lord interested in national righteousness or is He just interested in our personal righteousness? You know, we, we stand up in our pulpits, rightfully so, and we tell people you know, don't smoke, don't get drunk, don't commit sexual sins, don't do this, don't do that but yet we don't have the courage to speak out against national sins. Coach Dave >> Amen. Pastor Charles Jennings >> And, the, I made a note to myself several years ago and this is it. One of the marks of a decadent society is that it sacrifices its children on the alters of humanism. Coach Dave >> My, my. Pastor Charles Jennings >> When a, when a society, when a nation begins to sacrifice its offspring, lose the value of human life. You're very offspring. It's a sign that that nation is on the way down to destruction. Coach Dave >> Pastor Jennings, with the things that I, that I do, I carry this message everywhere I go. I travel the country trying to exhort men, pastors in particular, to stand up. You know what, you know what I hear from them Pastor Jennings? They say, well Coach just preach the gospel. Pastor Charles Jennings >> Yeah. Coach Dave >> Just preach the gospel. Don't get involved with the things of this world. So I say to them. Okay, let me, let me get it now. I'm a sinner. I need a Savior, Christ died for my sins. His blood washed me clean. He rose again from the dead. That's it. I, I got it. I got it. Now what. Now what. And I ask them this very simple question. Well, before I ask them that question I say this. That the, as you just said, the gospel is more than just personal. Pastor Charles Jennings >> That's right. Coach Dave >> It certainly is personal but it emanates out of you, the salt of the earth. It comes out of us. And I say to people, listen if the church had stood up and had fought against pornography, let's just take that as an issue. If we'd really held the ground on pornography, would there be some girl right now, some little girl in Tulsa, Oklahoma or Columbus, Ohio or Boise, Idaho, who was not molested last night … Pastor Charles Jennings >> That's right. Coach Dave >> … because somebody was watching pornography. Brother that's the gospel. Pastor Charles Jennings >> That's right. Coach Dave >> See … Pastor Charles Jennings >> That's right. Coach Dave >> God's laws are protective. Pastor Charles Jennings >> They are. Coach Dave >> We've got to this point, this mindset in America that God's laws are mean, He's a mean God. Don't do this; don't do that. Pastor Charles Jennings >> Oh, yeah. Coach Dave >> Well God's law are put in place thou shall not lie. Why? Because he wants to protect the one whom the lie is going to be told about. God says thou shall not steal. Why? He wants to protect you so your stuff doesn't get stolen. If you'll follow … Pastor Charles Jennings >> That's right. Coach Dave >> … the precepts of the Lord, a civil society follows. That is the Gospel. What's happened? The pastors have retreated inside their stained glassed fortresses and they hide from the devil while the world's going to hell. And I'm going to tell you something. I'm not going to get into a theological debate with you today. I'm not a theologian. I was trained in the school of the wilderness but I'm going to tell you folks that the aborting of unborn children and the marrying of men, and the flood of pornography America does not glorify the Lord. It does not glorify the Lord and the job of the church is to do what? Lift up the Lord that he might draw all men unto himself. To me this picture is so simple … Pastor Charles Jennings >> Yeah. Coach Dave >> ... yet so many cannot see it. Pastor Charles Jennings >> You have a website. Coach Dave >> I do. Pastor Charles Jennings >> And give us that website address and … Coach Dave >> I've got two of them I think they would like to see. First one is one we've just started. It's called News With Views dot tv. And it's little five-minute vignettes, little five minute salt segments that I produce every day that you can click on and get you a little bit of salt. It will be some truth that you've never heard before, news with views dot tv. Now hang on. That sounded like I'm really arrogant and smarter than everyone else. That's not what I mean. A different take on the truth than what you've maybe heard before, news with views dot tv. And my own personal website is Coach Dave live dot com, Coach Dave Live dot com. I do some radio. I do, do a lot of things. I'm a, a communicator Pastor Charles. Words have meaning. Words matter. Pastor Charles Jennings >> Words matter. Coach Dave >> And we have to be able to point out to people where they have changed the words. Pastor Charles Jennings >> That's right. Coach Dave >> And then they change the world on us, don't they. Pastor Charles Jennings >> That's right. Coach Dave >> Because they changed the word and what happens? See you take that word conservative. See I used to identify myself as a conservative. Pastor Charles Jennings >> Yes. Coach Dave >> That's what they told me I was. Right, Pastor Charles. Pastor Charles Jennings >> Oh, yeah. Right. I know what you mean. Coach Dave >> And then all of a sudden I was watching TV and I heard something. They started talking about fiscal conservative. What? And then social conservatives. Pastor Charles Jennings >> Oh, yeah. Coach Dave >> And then religious conservatives. I said, wait a minute. Pastor Charles Jennings >> Yeah. Coach Dave >> Do you mean we're not all the same? Pastor Charles Jennings >> [Laughter] Coach Dave >> Ah! That's a, that makes a very, very big difference, right? Pastor Charles Jennings >> Oh, yeah. Coach Dave >> Mitt Romney, just using him as an example. Was he a social conservative, fiscal, what kind of conservative was he? Pastor Charles Jennings >> Yeah. Coach Dave >> That matters, doesn't it Pastor? Pastor Charles Jennings >> It matters. Coach Dave >> It does matter. Pastor Charles Jennings >> It does matter. Coach Dave >> And so Christians in particular, we have, we've taken the bait. And we think just because somebody calls himself a conservative, that they're one of us. And that's not necessarily true. Pastor Charles Jennings >> That's not necessarily true. We have a magazine in this ministry that I would like to draw your attention to, bring your attention to concerning this magazine because we mail this magazine out. It's called Truth in History. We mail it out absolutely free of charge. If you have not received it contact us. You see the address that's on the screen. On the back there's a list of books and materials that we handle in this material in this ministry because our purpose, our purpose is to let people know and to preach a gospel as we see it that not only affects not only applies to the individual and to the family, but to the nation because once the nation crumbles, where are you going to be in your, your pulpit? Where are you going to be in your air-conditioned church? Where, where is the church going to be once the economy comes to an absolute total … Coach Dave >> Amen. Pastor Charles Jennings >> … collapse? You see, we're living in a self made bubble. Coach Dave >> We are. Pastor Charles Jennings >> In a, in a lot of cases. Coach Dave >> All bubbles burst, don't they Pastor? Pastor Charles Jennings >> And they all burst sooner or later because you know we must, we must realize that the culture, a nation's culture is determined by a nation's religion. Coach Dave >> Yes, sir. Pastor Charles Jennings >> They work hand in hand. You cannot separate them because the Bible tells us “Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord.” Coach Dave >> When the righteous are in authority the people rejoice. Pastor Charles Jennings >> That's right. Coach Dave >> When the wicked bare rule the people mourn. Now just ask yourself a very simple question. A lot of mourning going on or a lot of rejoicing going on? That ought to tell you some idea as to where we are in the culture. And Pastor Jennings if I can, if you don't mind me grabbing this. Folks, listen. Don't let it be, sit on the night stand. Read it and pass it on. Look. Truth. Truth. It's on, the battle we face is over truth. Now here, this is going to be shocking to you but it's so important for you to understand. Please hear me. Just because you believe something does not make it true. Oh my goodness, I was trapped in that box, Pastor Jennings. I was trapped in that box, thought I had all the truth and brother when I began to dig … Pastor Charles Jennings >> Oh, yeah. Coach Dave >> … dig in and try to discover the truth, when I, ever learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. It's so much deeper and broader than what we can understand … Pastor Charles Jennings >> Oh, yeah. Coach Dave >> … that so many people are stuck in a box and they wouldn't dare want to look at something that doesn't line up with what they believe. Pastor Charles Jennings >> I know. Coach Dave >> If you're like me, Pastor Jennings, if what you're believing is wrong, I want to, I want to know it. Don't you want to know it? Pastor Charles Jennings >> Oh, yeah. Coach Dave >> I want to know the truth. Pastor Charles Jennings >> You know, you was a coach, I've had to change my views. Coach Dave >> Me, too. Pastor Charles Jennings >> I've had to come to a confrontation with truth and admit I'm wrong. Coach Dave >> I'm wrong. I've been taught wrong. Pastor Charles Jennings >> I've been taught wrong. And that happened to me a may, in a major way in 1976, in 1986, and I've had to come to that conclusion many times since. Hey I don't know everything. Coach Dave >> We love life, don't we Pastor Charles. Pastor Charles Jennings >> We love life. Coach Dave >> We laugh because on news with you dot com there's a little video on there called “We Love Lives.” Folks, you ought to if you get a chance go look at it because that's where we are and if we are not willing to dig for the truth and then accept the truth once it is presented to us even though we believed something else our entire life. I was there, brother. Pastor Charles Jennings >> Oh, yeah. Coach Dave >> I believed something entirely different and then when I saw it, when the Holy Spirit guides us into all truth is what the Scripture says, I shifted my position. Now, I, I get on the streets Pastor Jennings and I tell the people out there that are lost, they're just of their father the devil. That's what the Word says, right? Pastor Charles Jennings >> Oh, yeah. Coach Dave >> They don't know any better. I don't get mad at them. I say that's okay, buddy. I used to think just like you. I used to think just like you. Pastor Charles Jennings >> Yeah. Coach Dave >> But then I found the truth. Pastor Charles Jennings >> In the last few minutes of this program, I'd like to bring up this thought. I'd like to talk about this. The Bible tells us that righteousness exalteth a nation and then it gives the other side of the coin but sin is a reproach to any people. Coach Dave >> Any people. Pastor Charles Jennings >> To any people. Coach Dave >> Any people, even ungodly people sin is … Pastor Charles Jennings >> That's right. Coach Dave >> … a reproach to, right? Pastor Charles Jennings >> And that word reproach means to bring to disgrace, to bring to shame. Coach Dave >> Amen. Pastor Charles Jennings >> To bring to blame. Now recently without calling any names, the leaders of our executive branch of our government that is the president and the vice president, they came out in favor of same sex marriage. Coach Dave >> Senators and Republicans, Pastor Jennings. It just wasn't them. Rob Portman, my Senator in Ohio, he came out for it. So we're seeing, that this just isn't a political thing. This is happening across the spectrum. Pastor Charles Jennings >> And this is basically a moral issue. Coach Dave >> It is. Pastor Charles Jennings >> That has been determined by the Word of God what is right and what … Coach Dave >> He's already said it's wrong. Pastor Charles Jennings >> … is wrong. He's already said … Coach Dave >> It's already settled. Pastor Charles Jennings >> It's settled but yet the churches I've noticed that most ministers will not come out with a clear denunciation of same-sex marriage. Coach Dave >> They will not clearly agree with the Bible. It's that simple. Pastor Charles Jennings >> Because of what? Coach Dave >> They are going to offend somebody. They are going to appear hateful. Who knows what it is? But they will not. I, I say to people all the time, listen, I'm a Christian. Why don't you want me to believe that book? Pastor Charles Jennings >> Yeah. Coach Dave >> Why would I be one and not believe that book? Pastor Charles Jennings >> That's right. Coach Dave >> Well, certain men have crept in unawares it tells us in the book of Jude. Pastor Charles Jennings >> Well as I told you before the program, we have come to a place in America or in the Western world where it is now necessary to Christianize Christians. Coach Dave >> Amen, brother. Yes, sir. Pastor Charles Jennings >> You know, because Christians basically no longer have a Biblical mentality. Coach Dave >> Hey, listen. Christians aren't the, the American Legion. It's not the Eagles. It's not a social club that you join. Being a Christian is a transformation of the heart. Jesus told us, Pastor Jennings, that there are many in that day who are calling themselves Christian are going to stand before the Lord and He's going to say what, I never knew you. Pastor Charles Jennings >> Yeah. Coach Dave >> I never knew you. It's not important as whether you know Jesus. It's a lot more important does he know you? Pastor Charles Jennings >> Does he know you? What is the warning that you would like to give to our nation in this last minute of this program? Coach Dave >> I have a three year old, almost three year old grandchild and my life changed when that little, when that little girl was, was born because for the first time, you know, my wife and I, we have three children. We had our own children. We understood the idea of passing your faith down, but Pastor Jennings, when I looked into the eyes of that little, that little grandbaby and realized that this thing goes on beyond me. I'm not going to be here forever but she is and it's incumbent upon me to do what the Scripture says. A wise man leaves an inheritance to his children's children. There she was. It's not money. Pastor Charles Jennings >> It's heritage. Coach Dave >> It's heritage. That's what it means to be Christian. That's what it means to be an American. It's what it means to be a Daubenmire. That matters something and I would just urge all of you to take that much more seriously than what we've been doing. Pastor Charles Jennings >> Because children are an heritage of the Lord and I mentioned before and I have to say it quickly that the way a nation treats its children … Coach Dave >> Amen, brother. Pastor Charles Jennings >> … will determine its existence or its destruction. It's good to have you on the program. Coach Dave >> Honored to be here, Pastor Jennings. Pastor Charles Jennings >> Absolutely. God bless each one of you. Press on for the truth in Jesus name. God bless you.

TIH 558 Pastor Charles>> The Psalmist said, “Bless the Lord O my soul and all that is within me, bless his holy name.” Welcome to Truth in History once again and we still have Coach Dave with us from Ohio and he has been a blessing to us here and also on the program. And we're talking about some, some issues not only issues but the responsibility of the body of Christ to get into the real game, so to speak as to fighting for righteousness, for standing up for the truth even though it may hurt and even though it may cost us something. And I know that the Coach here has paid a price for his stand and part of the price I'm sure that you have paid is that you have been rejected by some preachers, churches and when sinners reject you, when the ungodly reject you, it doesn't hurt. Dave>> You expect it. Charles>> You expect it, but when ministers reject you because we are living in a day Coach and I've said this before, that it is now necessary to Christianize Christians because we have lost the concept of a Biblical way, of a Biblical Christian, Protestant world view, would you agree? Dave>> I certainly would agree Pastor Jennings and it gets me into a lot of trouble because I, I just say to people, and listen I'm just repeating what the Bible says. I didn't, this isn't my plan my idea. I didn't come up with it. This is what the Scripture says and I just I'm one of those crazy guys I tend to agree with what the Scriptures says. I think it's probably stood the test of time and so I would, I would say to people even, even right now you know if you have an issue, when I'm on the street and I'm debating this with somebody show me where I'm wrong. And by the way Pastor Jennings not call you. You're not the one that's making the statement. Give me a call send an e-mail. I'll be glad to give you my position on it. But what has happened to us is because we have cast aside the Word of God, right? Because it tells us that, right? What's that word say in Romans 1, professing themselves to be wise, they became fools. I know a lot of educated fools, Pastor Charles. I'm just telling you the truth. I cannot believe some of the things that I hear people who are supposed to be intelligent, some of the statements they make and it's because two things have happened to us. We've lost the guide of the Scriptures. We don't, really don't have them. And our public schools no longer teach our children to think. They teach them what to think. And so when you get out on the street or wherever you are and you begin to introduce logic to a conversation, when you say “Oh, so you believe 'A', well that leads to 'B'.” Oh no, no, no, no. They do not want to go there. They want to believe something just because they feel good about what they believe. Charles>> Now, I want to mention that Coach here was in a public school education system and how long did you coach football? Dave>> Well, I was, I was in coaching 25 years Pastor Jennings. I was in coaching football 11 years as a saved man. That was different. That, that changed everything. First 14 years I wasn't. And, it was, it was funny because you'd think that the public school system, they would, they would love a Christian coach, you would think, right? Want to share scriptures with the kids, and want to, gives them a real foundation as to why A leads to B, and all that stuff. You would think they do. Well, they were until they found out they got a guy who actually believed what the Bible said. And I'm not patting myself on the back. Just happens to be the truth. We're warned about that in Timothy, aren't we? Having a form of godliness and denying the power thereof. That's, that's where we are in so much of Christianity. Charles>> But your big problems stemmed from you were praying with your team. Dave>> I was living a Christian life in front of them and I was explaining to them, I would take the first, the love chapter and explain the love chapter. I would read it at a football meeting and I would explain the love chapter and how that applies to all of us, and applies to all society, that the greatest of these is love and they called that preaching. That's, that's not preaching. That's education, my friends. That's education. And by the way Pastor Jennings that was the values of most of the people in the city that I lived in and they agreed with that. It was just the ACLU didn't agree with it so therefore my goodness if the ACLU didn't put the stamp of approval on it you're not allowed to talk about it. Charles>> So we ask questions like why did Columbine take place? Well, we kicked God out of the school system and it's like our, our friend Greg Thompson. He had a Bible on his desk. They didn't like that. He had a copy of the Ten Commandments hanging on his wall in his office. He was a superintendent in a public school. So really the Bible, which actually was the first textbook in the American school system way back when, is now outlawed. Dave>> Well, I studied the whole lie, I think the greatest lie perpetrated on the church in my lifetime Pastor Jennings is the lie of the separation between the church and the state. We believe that. In fact most, most Christians, most educators believe that that's in the, in the Constitution. Charles>> Yeah, and it's not there. Dave>> Or in the Declaration. They think it's somewhere. I give them, say I'll give you $10,000 if you can find those words mentioned anywhere in there. And of course, they're not in there. Charles>> They're not in there. Dave>> But it has become the doctrine, right, because of the Supreme Court case Everson vs. Board of Education in 1947. Since then the entire political system, the whole entire educational system has become a-moral. Timothy Leary, feels good do it, tune in, turn on, drop out. Who are you to judge? The number one Scripture that I hear when I'm out on the streets from Christians and others “Who are you to judge?” We don't even understand the context of that Scripture that that talks about, not that you're going to judge the eternal salvation of someone. But you certainly judge their behavior. You judge their fruit, right? Don't you look at your own children and say “Don't do that.” “That's bad.” “Quit hanging around that guy.” Right? That's all judging. In fact I find out that the ones who tell me not to judge are the ones doing the most judging. They're judging me and calling me a hater and all that kind of stuff. So we have to get beyond all that stuff and understand that that's all part of the battle, the battle for truth, the seed of the serpent, the seed of the woman, that is how the battle is going to play out. Charles>> Is your ministry mainly in churches or on the streets? Dave>> It's mainly on the streets and I've created, like you I've created my own ministry, audios and videos, and writing. I do a lot of communication that way. And I, listen Pastor Jennings you shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free. And folks I'm just going to tell you something that's going to be controversial. There's not a lot of truth going on in a lot of our churches, this if you consider the Bible to be the truth. That is not held up as truth any more. And I jokingly tell folks that it's like, we think in modern America that Jesus got born-again in the New Testament. In the Old Testament He's mean you know Pastor Jennings. He's mean and he wanted to spank everybody. He wanted to kill the children. But in the New Testament he got born-again and He's really really a nice guy now. And that's why most people want to preach from the, from the right side of the Bible and not be disconnected from the front side of the Bible, the left side of the Bible. And we know what? The Scripture tells us that it is the law that is the school master that drives one to Christ. Dave>> We have to use the law to show the sinner he needs a Savior. Charles>> Amen. In the book of Proverbs chapter twenty nine verse 2. Well, I'm going to read verse 1 also. Proverbs 29:1 and 2, “He that being often reprooved hardeneth his neck, shall suddenly be destroyed and that without remedy. When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice but when the wicked beareth rule the people mourn.” And personally I would say that our nation right now is in mourning, financial mourning, moral mourning, you know, and in every other way because the, the wicked are now bearing rule and I won't hesitate to say that our national government is corrupt. Anybody with a half a brain and one eye can see that our government, our national government has overstepped its bounds constitutionally and Biblically in dictating the morals of the nation. And the reason why our nation is the way it's in is that our people as a whole, the conscience of the people have been seared as with a hot iron. Dave>> Pastor Jennings, I like to make things just simple. Can I, can I just make it simple for you? You just talk to someone about politicians and what are they going to tell you? Oh, they're just liars. Those politicians, they'll say anything to get elected. And then what do we do? We elect them. Charles>> We elect them. Dave>> Right. Now I've, I've reached the point where I've decided it's time to stop begging evil men to do good. That's just going to lead to frustration, brother. We're just never going to be able to win that battle that way. So what we have to begin to do is we have to number one begin to lift up the Lord in our churches, lift up the Lord in our communities, and believe it or not, vote Biblically. That you will be different, right? Not conservative, liberal, young versus old, black versus white, rich versus poor, unions versus, we've got to get away from that brother. It's a standard of truth. Once we return to truth many of the problems we face in this nation will in fact go away. But until we do they're not going to go away. Charles>> They're not going to go away. The battle is between divine revelation that we find in this book right here. This, this book that we hold in our hand, divine revelation. The total rejection of divine revelation, or the total rejection of this book has a consequence and it's called revolution. Is our nation headed for revolution? Dave>> Pastor Jennings, we just heard Bill O'Reilly the darling of conservative media call people like me and you Bible thumpers because we have, we believe the Bible is true. This is one of the guys who's supposed to be leading, he's supposed to be on our side, right? He's supposed to be leading our battle. And what does he say? Can't have that Bible involved in anything that's going on. So what's going to happen is we're going to be pushed into a corner. Now listen, Pastor Jennings, this is really important for people to understand. Righteous are in authority the people rejoice. Wicked are rule and people mourn. Well, there are a lot of people who aren't even Christians maybe who are irate at what they see of the dishonesty going on in government, the money being devalued, the threat of taking the guns away, the threat of taking away their religious liberties. There are people who are not Christians who are sick and tired of that and you and I we're restrained by the Holy Spirit. We have the Holy Spirit that guides us into all truth and cautions us in every manner. But brother I'm going to tell you something. There's some folks out there that are not guided by that Holy Spirit that I believe are being instigated on purpose to try to get them to rise up against what's going on. Charles>> Oh, yeah. Well, we believe that the Bible is the final authority on all matters of belief and practice. Dave>> Yes, sir. Charles>> We cannot, and when I say we, the Church of Jesus Christ that is the body of Christ, we cannot afford to dissect this book and say well I'm going to follow all the personal rules all the rules that apply to me personally and neglect the rules that apply nationally to government. Now we realize that totalitarian government, totalitarian governmental policies have killed over four hundred million people. Dave>> Yes, sir. Charles>> And it's government that kills their own. We're not talking about a government sending its army to kill the enemy army. We're talking about government that kills their own people. Dave>> Yeah, that could never happen here, Pastor Jennings. Charles>> Oh no, absolutely not. Dave>> No, that could never happen here. Charles>> But our government, we have to take the halo away from around the head of our government. Dave>> We absolutely do. Charles>> Because the wicked are now bearing rule. The people are mourning. They cannot come to a solution for any problem. None. Zero. Concerning the money system, the moral moral issues, concerning marriage, homosexuality, immorality as a whole, they cannot tackle one problem and solve that problem. Dave>> Pastor Jennings, I had the opportunity to be a speaker at several Tea Party rallies. When I go to the Tea Party rallies, they, they don't know how to take me because I tell them I don't care what the problem is, you just, you just rattle them off. The problems in America are moral. Charles>> They're moral. Dave>> They're moral problems. Charles>> That's right. Dave>> Everyone one of them are moral, spiritual problems and until we begin to deal with those problems the rest of this stuff is not going away. Now, come on now. Let's make this thing very very simple. We live in a nation where the government says it's okay to kill unborn babies, fifty million. Who knows how many it could have been? Un, untold many because why? They would've gotten married. They would have had children. So you don't just kill a baby. You kill an entire Charles>> You kill their offspring. Dave>> kill their entire offspring. Now how do they get away with that, Pastor Jennings? The only way they get away with that is the salt has lost his savor. The church has ceased to be truth in America. It's always been the church that's held the government accountable. Remember King David. Who was it that came along to King David and tapped him on the shoulder and said you are the man? It was Nathan who represented the church, right? Charles>> Nathan the prophet. Dave>> That's right. He came along and said it's you. It's you church, righteous man. You're the one who dropped the ball. That's where we all are. And I don't sit here behind, in front of this camera nor does Pastor Jennings sit here and say we're holier, more righteous than anybody else. We're just here to say listen if we want to really change the problems in America here's the rule book. We have got to return to this rule book. But Pastor Jennings, pastors are afraid to say it. Charles>> In other words preachers speak up. Don't be afraid of your congregation. Don't be dictated. Don't let your sermon be dictated by money or ministerial acceptance. Dave>> Why would you, why would you trade the approval of Almighty God for the approval of people sitting in the pews? Could you explain that one to me? Almighty God has put a call on your life to be his spokesman and you bow to the will of some big fat cat sitting on the front row with a big wallet. Brother, I'll, I'll never make that trade. I will never make that trade. Brother I'll never trade the anointing of God for the approval of man. I'm not interested in that one. Charles>> I want to talk about your cap. Dave>> Yes, sir. Charles>> You've got that cap, you've got a cross on it. On the back you have your website and you have an, an American flag up there and I notice it's upside down. Dave>> Everybody tries to straighten it out for me. It's upside down. Well, that's a sign of a nation in distress. The flag is upside down. Charles>> That's what it is. Dave>> Or a boat's in distress. Or whatever. Charles>> Yeah. Dave>> We're in distress in this nation. Charles>> Our nation's in distress. Dave>> We are in distress. And you notice I connect the two. I've got the little baby feet over here on the other side. I believe the two are connected, Pastor Jennings. Charles>> They are. Dave>> Of all the sins in America, until we stop killing unborn children, this nation will, there is a curse, judgment is upon our land or soon coming upon our land. Because of the fact that we have winked and nodded and looked the other way at the slaughter of what Jesus God himself called a blessing. He said blessed, children are a heritage of the Lord. Blessed is the man whose quiver is full of them. Try preaching that in church today that you ought to have a lot of babies. That won't even fly in church today. They think you ought to have one baby or two babies and mean, meanwhile some of our enemies are reproducing beyond what we can even understand and we're going to lose just from a numbers standpoint Pastor Jennings. Charles>> Well, several years ago, when was it? Forty years ago when this abortion thing started, what 1973 when it started legally. It had already been taking place. Dave>> It's never been lawful. Charles>> No, it's never been lawful. Dave>> They can make it legal but it will never be lawful. Charles>> Preachers came out against it and then it just, they just, their resistance just kind of waned, it just faded away. Now you dare don't touch it, you don't touch that issue in church anymore except some little pastor that's you know in the back forty somewhere. Dave>> That's because half the abortions are in the church. And women have never dealt with the fact that they nobody told them the truth about it and they sit there in guilt. And so they don't want the pastor to bring it up. Charles>> And you know I heard, being that you mentioned that, I heard that there was one of these companies that takes polls on things and says that homosexuality and abortion proportionately is just as much in the church as in the world. That's a shame. Dave>> Well, we know why that is. Jesus said in that day there would be many that will come to me and say look didn't we cast out devils in your name, didn't we lay hands on the sick in your name, didn't we do all these wonderful things in your name, and what does Jesus say? Depart from me you workers of iniquity I never knew you. Charles>> Never knew you. Dave>> Never had that intimate relationship with the Lord that would prevent you from falling into some of this that we fall into. Charles>> Give us your website and how people may, how people may … Dave>> I have two of them. I do some videos I think you will really enjoy. Every morning we do a video at news with views dot tv, news with views dot tv. Then my own personal website is Coach Dave Live dot com, Coach Dave Live dot com. And Pastor Jennings if I could just take off here in a minute, I have one of the videos at newswithviews.tv on matrimony that I'd, I would just like to share with the people Charles>> Yes. Absolutely. Dave>> I think would really, folks this whole thing and we're talking about same-sex marriages that's going on, let's just go back to the Genesis of marriage. Let's just go back to it. And what was it? It was a sacrament in the church where the Lord said a man shall leave his mother and a woman shall leave the home and the two shall become one. A marriage is about reproduction. It's about family. It's about the next generation. It's not about marrying the one you love. It's not about that. They called it matrimony. And if you would, look up those words. Remember words mean things. Matrimony. Latin for “matri” is mother. Charles>> Mother. Dave>> “Mony” means to make or the process of. So matrimony was the process whereby a woman became a mother. Isn't that unbelievable. It was God smiling on a relationship and saying okay I now sanction that nest, to make, make some babies, holy matrimony. What happened? See, we get mad at the gay movement and we get made at the homosexuals. Pastor Jennings, who messed up marriage? We messed it up, didn't we? We were the ones who no longer respected holy matrimony. And I hear all the time, people say “Oh we've, we've got to take back marriage. We can't let them change the definition of marriage.” Well, brothers and sisters, that's already happened. Judgment begins first in the house of God. I mean, all of these problems we turn back to the truth of the gospel and until we are willing to stand on the gospel, these problems are not going away. I asked a class this Pastor Jennings. They say marriage is, you ought to be able to marry the one you love. I said well that sounds interesting. Can I marry my daughter? Oh, they get really uncomfortable Pastor Jennings, and they'll argue back and forth and they'll say well no you can't because the baby might be deformed. I say okay, fine. Can I marry my son? They don't know what to say then do they Pastor Jennings. I say I love him. He loves me. If marriage is about love. I say did you know there was a day when we had these things called arranged marriages, right? And sometimes people got married, they didn't even love each other. And, what were what were the wedding vows? That you would love them, that at some point you would begin to love them because it is not about two people in lust. It is about the family that's going to be recreated as a result of it. Folks ask yourself a very simple question. If you're worried so much about a homosexual having the right to marry, how about this one. Does every baby have a right to a mother and a father or are there some babies just get two mommies or some just get two daddies? Would you like to trade your mom and your dad for? No. I think every child has a right to a mother and a father. And we will lose this battle Pastor Jennings if we don't stand on the Biblical reason from where our argument comes rather than legal reasons. We'll lose every time. Some, some guy a lot older than me, a lot smarter than me said that the law is an ass. And that's the truth, isn't it? The law by itself is meaningless. Charles>> Why are we delegating our responsibility to a political party? They cannot fight our battle. They might go through all the political wranglings. They may go through all, but they'll mess it up. Dave>> It's pretend salt. Charles>> And they will fail in their attempt to solve the problems that should be determined or solved by men of God in the pulpit. Dave>> Pastor Jennings, I'm not poking, poking fun at my Senator Rob Portman. This is news. It was in the news. He just, Mr. Republican, Mr. Conservative Republican Ohio changed his view on same-sex marriage from opposing it to being for it, because why? His son came out as gay. Now the question that I would ask of that Senator is if your daughter got pregnant out of wedlock would you now change your mind on abortion? See, the fact that something happens to you personally cannot change the underlying standard upon which you stand. I don't want my son to come and tell me that he is hooked on crack cocaine. I don't want him to come and tell me that he's, that he's an alcoholic. I don't want to hear any of that stuff. I'll love him if he does but just the fact that he's hooked on crack cocaine I'm not going to legalize crack. This is so, this is so simple, isn't it? But because we no longer call sin, sin we can't, we can't even make this argument anymore Pastor. It's discouraging. Charles>> Well, eventually what happens when a nation does not repent? What happens? Are there consequences? Dave>> They're thrown into hell the Scriptures say. Charles>> That's what it says. Dave>> All nations that forget God Charles>> Shall be cast into hell. Well, you can't take a nation Dave>> Not America. Charles>> You know, a big nation with the dirt, and the building and cast them into a burning pit. No, it means it shall go into bondage. Dave>> Darkness, bondage. Charles>> That's what it means. It shall go into bondage if our nation does not repent. And I would like to remind everyone we have a magazine that we would like to send to you entitled Truth in History. If you have not received this magazine before, just contact us. The information is on the screen. You might check out our website at truthinhistory.org and we will mail this to you absolutely free of charge. There's a list of material on the back that you may order because our purpose, our purpose is you know, to lead people to Christ. Exactly. Naturally. But we also must take a stand for national righteousness because we cannot allow our nation and our people and our government, our leaders just to go without a voice of God in the land. And there's a lot of people that's concerned, not only us but we must cry out. Dave>> Jesus was standing before Pilate about to be crucified, about to be condemned to death and he said for this purpose came I into the world that I might bare witness to the truth. Charles>> That's right. Dave>> And all of those who hear my voice, hear the truth. Now, what did Pilate say? Looking at the way, the truth and the life right in the eye, what did Pilate say? What's the truth? Brother that's the debate, isn't it? That is, pastors, that is the debate. Folks watching us, that is the debate. Truth is not an opinion. Truth is not truth just because you believe it. Truth is a person. Truth is a stand alone, by itself person and set of beliefs and why we are ashamed to proclaim the truth and stand on that rock is beyond me because if we continue to keep our feet, feet in that sinking sand, what did Pastor Jennings just say, all nations who forget God are, oh man, cast into hell. We are, we got to get back on that rock brother if there's any chance for us. Charles>> So we believe in Jesus Christ, the deity of Christ, his virgin birth. He's, he's the only Savior. And he is not only a Savior but the Bible proclaims Him as a King. Dave>> Amen. Charles>> That goes into the civil authority. That goes into governmental authority. I want to thank you Coach for being here today and just inspiring me, inspiring the listeners because and God bless you in your ministry in the streets. Dave>> Brother, every time we go out, every time we show up, God shows off. Charles>> Amen. God bless you.